YMB #73 Finding Truth in Every Subject: A Conversation with Brandy Vencel

On today’s episode of the podcast I am chatting with a good friend Brandy Vencel all about which subjects in our homeschools are appropriate for Morning Time. Are some activities and subjects holier than others? Are there any subjects that do not pertain to God?

These are all fascinating questions. While we do not claim to have a definitive answer we welcome you to join us as we begin the discussion. Let us know what you think in the comments.

YMB #73 Finding Truth in Every Subject: A Conversation with Brandy Vencel

This is Your Morning Basket Podcast, where we help you bring truth, goodness and beauty to your homeschool day.

Hi everyone, and welcome to episode 73 of the Your Morning Basket Podcast. I’m Pam Barnhill, your host and I am so happy that you are joining me here today. Well, today’s episode is a good one. But it was a really tough one to record. There was an idea I wanted to explore. But it was really hard to find the words to explore it. And so I had my good friend, Brandy Vencel from afterthoughtsblog.net come on, to hash out this particular idea with me and talk about it for a little while. We went way past an hour. There was a lot of editing done to this particular episode because there were so many moments where I just had to stop and wrestle for my words. The conversation just made my head hurt, I was thinking so much. But we hope that we did it justice for you guys today.

So we’re taking a look at the idea that God is not just in certain things that we do in our homeschool but instead he’s in everything that we do in our homeschool. So have a listen and just know that we wrestled with it and let me know what you think in the comments on the show notes to this episode. And we’ll get on with it right after this word from our sponsor.

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This episode of The Your Morning Basket Podcast is brought to you by the Traveling Through the Pages, free Summer Reading program. Now this Summer Reading program was designed by myself and my good friend Jessica Lawton who writes all the Morning Time plans for the Your Morning Basket Plus subscription. We came up with this reading program a few years ago, in order to encourage kids to read widely across different genres through this summer.

And so we have a special packet that you can come and download, absolutely free that has a passport that your kids can fill out as they read from our various reading suggestions and different genre ideas throughout the summer. Now also in the packet is a downloadable certificate, some bookmarks for your kids, different reading ideas and little reading scavenger hunts and also some celebration tickets where you can celebrate reading with your kids and the different milestones that they accomplish throughout the reading program.

We give you some different ideas to use on those celebration tickets, things like taking your child to the coffee shop to discuss a book or getting a new book or going bowling or watching a movie as a family or even going out to breakfast with mom or dad. So it's more than rewarding your kids for reading but instead it's taking the time to celebrate their reading accomplishments for the summer. So you can find all of that at pambarnhill.com/summer-reading or by visiting the show notes for this episode of the podcast and we'll link you to the Summer Reading program there. It's absolutely free and we hope you come enjoy it. And now on with the podcast.

Brandy Vencel is a Charlotte Mason homeschooling mom of four and the host of the popular podcast, Scholé Sisters. She is the author of Start Here: A Journey Through Charlotte Mason's 20 Principles, and The Afterthinkers Guide to Charlotte Mason's Home Education, both of which can be found on her blog at afterthoughts.net. Brandy has a heart for serving classical and Charlotte Mason homeschooling moms through the AmblesideOnline auxiliary board and the Scholé Sistership, a community founded by the Scholé Sisters for moms seeking camaraderie around big ideas in education. Brandy, welcome to the podcast.

Why, thank you. Glad to be here.

It's so good to have you. Now I said Scholé Sisters three times in that bio, I think, I should let people know, I also show up on Scholé Sisters sometimes.

Exactly. I was waiting for it. It wasn't there.

Yeah, was it? No. So Brandy is the host, our host of Scholé Sisters. And I probably show up there about a third of the time, don't you think?

Yeah. Maybe even more than that.

Yeah, so we have some really great episodes. If you've never checked out that podcast. I highly recommend it. It's a little more conversational than this one. Less interview back and forth and more conversational. But it's so much fun.

It's because I'm less organized than you are.

I don't know about that but-

If I could just get it together.

It's a really fun conversation.

It is fun.

Okay, Brandy has been on the podcast before. You've been on twice before?

I think so.

Yeah, once we talked-

You've been around so long.

I have been around for a while. I'm showing my age here. But you came on, I believe it was number three or something where we talked about reading-

That's right.

... in Morning Time. And then you also came and talked about ideas-

That's right.

... in Morning Time as well. So both of those were really great conversations and I can't remember the numbers, but we'll link to both of them in the show notes. So if somebody wasn't listening to one of those podcasts, go ahead and tell me a little bit about your homeschool and how you came to homeschooling and your history with Morning Time, the CliffsNotes version.

Okay. I have four students and they, this year, are fifth grade all the way to a senior. So I have my very first senior.


I know, it's so weird. Well, and this is a really weird time to have a senior.


But anyway, so they have always been homeschooled and I have always used or I feel like use is a weird word to use, but Charlotte Mason's philosophy. So they have always been using AmblesideOnline, which I know you bring up every once in a while on your show. And so I mean, it's just, I just love homeschooling. I guess I didn't completely really know what homeschooling was all about. I mean, I had this vague recollection of growing up and knowing that there were a couple of kids at my piano lessons that were homeschooled or something. But I didn't really know what that meant or what they were doing or anything.

But really, I think the main way I got into it, there was two big influences. And the first was that when we first got married, we lived in this little apartment over a garage in someone's backyard. And the people that lived in the front house, I think they had six kids that they had adopted out of the foster system. And they were those kinds of eclectic people that do something different every year. So when we were there, their kids were going to the local public school, but in the past, they had done Christian school, they had done homeschooling and when I would talk to the wife, she would always say that homeschooling and those younger earlier years, were just some of her favorite things. So I think she put it on our radar.

So then the second thing would be that we just both, my husband and I, both felt like, oh, I don't want to sound snobby. But when we met Elementary Ed majors, now this is not true of all of them, so that's why I want to be careful and not sound snobby, because for example, I had a roommate that was an Elementary Ed major, and she was awesome. And I would have been pleased to have her be my child's teacher...But with that said, a lot of them didn't like to read. And I didn't know much about education at all. But one thing I was convinced was that if a child loved to read, then a lot of stuff took care of itself.

And so like I said, I loved my roommate, but I knew that she was going to live hundreds of miles away. So she wasn't going to be my child's teacher. It was going to be some other random person that I didn't know. And I think we just started out with this idea of like, "Well, how hard is it to do kindergarten? How hard is it to do first grade?" And then we just so fell in love with it that it was never any question that we were going to do anything different. So anyway, I hope that wasn't a snobby thing to say.

No, no. I'm just shocked that, yeah, you met Elementary Ed majors who didn't love reading. Because now, when I went to college, I mean, I was surrounded by English majors and so I think that's a prerequisite for that.

Right, oh, yeah, for sure. Well, and I really think that might not be universally true. It might just be the people I happened to meet. And then God using that to influence our life because I got this perception.

Right, right.

So God uses funny things sometimes. But for me, I knew I had always loved books. And I knew that I wanted my children to love reading. And so that was really where it all started. Which I think is really why I ended up falling in love with AmblesideOnline and Charlotte Mason and all those things just because it's such a book-centered approach, and I loved books.

Yeah. And that's one of the things I really admire about you. And I know I've told you this before, is that you got in there and started doing the CM, AmblesideOnline thing and you have never wavered. I mean, I'm like, I am a curriculum hopper from way back when, if something's not working, I'm going to throw it aside, at least for a while and try something different. I may come back to it and usually do. But that's one of the things I've always had great admiration for.


It's like, "How does she do this?"

I think I stumbled on something that was a really good fit for us at the very beginning is part of it. Because I'm not sure that I wouldn't have jumped around if I hadn't have start... I mean, if I'd started with something different, that I didn't like as much, then the story may be a very different one. But Cindy Rollins was talking about AmblesideOnline one day, and my oldest was three or four years old at the time, and I just thought, "That sounds good." So then I looked at it, and I looked at the booklists and I thought, "Oh, we could never afford to do this." I had no idea it was free. And so I just remember thinking, "How wonderful. I wish we could do this." Then when I found out it was free and so much of the stuff was online, I thought, "Ah, this is even in my budget."

Yeah, there you go. Okay, so you just brought up one of the magic words, because now we're going to talk about your Morning Time. And you said Cindy Rollins. And is that where you started with Morning Time or did you come at it from a different direction and then find out that Cindy did it?

Really it was her, and then it was also Preschoolers and Peace.

Kendra, Kendra Fletcher.

Yes, Kendra Fletcher. So I feel like Cindy gave me the vision for what I wanted to do in Morning Time, but Kendra gave me the vision of the relational aspect of it. So the big thing that I remember about what she was saying at the time, and oh, my goodness, this was, what? Almost 15 years ago or something but-

Ages ago, yeah.

I mean, it was. It was, we were so young and cute back then. But one of the things that she was saying was that she wanted it to be a time to tell her preschoolers like, "I'm happy that you're here. I want you to be here with us. I want you to be a part of this." And so for me, Morning Time started out not just as this thing that we were doing with this content, which was true, but also as a way of making sure that I was still connecting with my younger kids as I was trying to do this whole homeschooling thing right, quote-unquote, with my oldest child. Because there's a three year gap between my first student and then my next student.

And so it would have been really easy for me to just dive into educating him, my oldest child and hoping that everything came together later. So I feel like from the very beginning, Kendra's influence was that it was always for all of them as much as possible. I wanted them all to feel they're welcome at this table. This is for them too.

Yeah, yeah. And Kendra even influenced you so much, you still call it Circle Time-

I do.

... and not Morning Time. Even with a senior in high school. So do you ever get the side eye like, "Mom."?

Well, the big thing is, at least once a week he tells me, "You know this isn't a circle, right?" I'm like, "You know that's annoying, right?" I told him, "Look, I never really thought of it in terms of the shape I was thinking more like we're circling the wagons before we go our separate direction." And so-

Let the circle be unbroken man.

Exactly, there you go.

Yeah. Okay.

It's a metaphor for unity.

Okay. So that's so much fun, that it was Kendra's influence as well. And you guys, if you haven't heard episode 39 of the Your Morning Basket Podcast, we had Kendra Fletcher on to talk about-

Oh, that's right.

... building relationships with Circle Time. And that was a really great episode. Not because of me, because of Kendra.

Well, you may have had something to do with it Pam.

Well, there are so many episodes I love but it's not because of me, it's because of the guests. Well, I wanted to have you on today Brandy, to talk a little bit about some of the subjects that we study in Morning Time or in Circle Time. And this idea, and I'm just going to jump around in the questions. But sometimes there's this idea that if Morning Time is supposed to be about the most important things, that then all we should focus on in our Morning Time are things like prayer and Bible study and devotions or things like that. And that the other things that we might put in the Morning Time things like music appreciation, or art or poetry are secondary to those things, because they're not the most important things. They're not the things that are about God. And I don't think that's true. So let's talk about this idea, why are those things not secondary?

I hope you don't get disappointed in me for this one. But I mean, I guess they are secondary in the sense, and just in this one sense, that on a really short day, when I need to cut things down, I don't cut prayer or Bible.


And I might cut music. But to me, that's the only thing that makes it secondary. You know what I mean? So if I'm limiting the time... And there were a couple of years where we had to do a really short Morning Time. And so it really was those main, quote-unquote, main or religious sorts of things. But I know what you're getting at, with just the bigger thing. And I mean, I guess I would ask the question, really, what makes us think that God has nothing to do with those things or what makes us have a secular view of those things?

And I wonder sometimes if it isn't just the way we were all educated because, I don't know about you, but I went to public school and the whole thing about public school was separating God from everything else. So we're here to study things that have nothing to do with God. That's the big message, of the public school system in many ways. But that, historically has never been the view of the church. And I really think it comes down to our theology. If we really believe that in God, in Christ, everything lives and moves and have being, that Christ holds all things together, that He is the word that gives the logic to everything that exists. If we really believe all of those things, and if we believe that, what is it? That none of these things came from somewhere else, He's the sole creator. So if we really believe all of that, then these things have everything to do with God in the sense that they don't exist outside of His will. And they're not a surprise to Him. I mean, the big example I always use is math. If math is actually just telling us about reality, and reality is what God has made, then why would we think of it as something that's secular?

And I think we think of it as something that's secular because we don't know how to slap a Bible verse on it to somehow sanctify it. But I feel like that's a really superficial way of trying to Christianize something is to just slap a verse on it, and be like, "Now it's Christian." Because I feel like that's the ultimate mistake that Christian schools make. They take the regular curriculum, and they slap a Bible class on it and call it Christian. And if we really deeply understand that reality flows from God, and is part of His will, then our Christianity has everything to do with everything. Including our music appreciation, or whatever.

And that doesn't mean that the person who thought of this type of math or this type of music or whatever was a Christian. It just acknowledges that they were a creature created by a God who gave them this capacity and willed them to produce these things. So we can take all of that and we can enjoy it. And yeah, we'll spit out the seeds. There's seeds everywhere. But that's true of everything. So anyway, that's my initial thought on those kinds of things.

Well, and the math was there before the person came along, whether the person was Christian or not.


So going back to what you were saying that I was going to be disappointed in you, I mean, I'm not at all. Because if we only have, let's say, we have 15 minutes to do Morning Time, we're going to sit down and do prayer and probably nothing else. I mean, that's where we're going to start, is we're going to do prayer, we're going to sing a hymn, we're going to read our scripture, maybe we're going to do some memory work or something like that. But that's definitely where we're beginning. But I think, is there a danger in, and I don't mean to... I'm not quite sure how to phrase this one. What if you never get to any of the other stuff?

Oh, that was a great question. I'll tell you why, because I used to get frustrated with people who would say, "Well, we did Bible so we did school. That was enough." And there is a sense in which man does not live by bread alone, but every word that comes out of the mouth of God. So we don't want to minimize the Bible, but I mean, what is education and what is its purpose? We have to answer those essential questions to know if what we've done can be classified as such. And if education is really the process of... Well, what did Milton say? "We're restoring the ruins of our first parents." That is more than just a religious education. That is saying man was created to be a certain thing, and we're helping him become that again through how we educate.

And so if that is true, then we have to ask the question, "Well, what does a human being... What was he created to be? What can he be? What are his possibilities?" And his possibilities include music and math and history and literature and poetry and all of these things. I mean, we see Adam speaking poetry when he first sees Eve. So what was man created to be? A poet, apparently. So if we say that education is just reading our Bibles or something, I think we're ignoring what humanity was created to be. Yes, we desperately need the Bible, because we are fallen creatures. But that's not the whole story. And we don't become what we were created to be, without perfecting the human things, which would be a lot of these subjects that we're putting into Morning Time.

So for me, it's just we're truncating a view of humanity. And we're saying, "Well, humans are just religious creatures." And I don't think that's the whole story about mankind. I think man is, I want to be really careful how I say this, because I don't want to fall into heresy on accident. I think man is deeply religious, but I think he can be religious while being fully human, and that might include doing geometry. And he's not less human because of that. He's more human, because geometry resides in the mind of God. So, yeah, I'll just leave it at that before I end up a heretic.

Well, I'm trying to think through this because I think there's a danger in, you're afraid of falling into heresy with what you're saying here. But I always feel like there's an equal danger in stating this is about God and this is not about God. I mean, who are we to say that?

Well, that's Charlotte Mason's 20th Principle. Where she says, "We shall allow no division to spring up between..." I mean she's not saying secular and sacred. But she's getting at that divide. Because it's between the child's spiritual or religious life and his intellectual life. And so if we are unified, we talk about body, mind and soul. But that's actually, I mean, you can't separate that unless you're talking about death when your soul separates from your body. But that's not a good thing. So we want to be this unified whole, as human beings. And so if those three are actually inseparable, then to be fully human is not just to develop my soul, it's to discipline my body and discipline my mind as well.

So I mean, what was that conversation you and I were having a while back? When Paul says that physical training has some value. Yes, he's saying that we are to seek these greater things, but he's actually saying it has some value. That there's some value to physical training, you should try it. So, anyway, I really think it comes down to two theological weaknesses we can have, and one is putting God in a box and not recognizing Him as... I think, how do I put this? It's almost like we're just seeing Him as too small. That we're not seeing Him as infinite. And so we don't see how he relates to our science lesson. But if He's the Creator, and He is infinite, then He is infinitely involved in your science lesson, we should try to harmonize that, instead of just cutting Him out because we don't see the connection. That's a problem with us, not a problem with Him.

So I think it's that, but then also our view of humanity is small. So as we start, it’s as if we start trying to worship properly, we start to define ourselves in the small way without realizing that God has created the whole person. So I think it's just we just have to recover this bigger vision. Charlotte Mason, she goes to this fresco, where she has what she calls her ‘Great Recognition.’ So this is a fresco that is in Santa Maria Novella, the Spanish chapel in Florence, Italy. And she goes, and she looks and it's this... Well, another name for this fresco is The Triumph of St Thomas Aquinas.

And so you've got Thomas Aquinas on this throne. And you've got all these virtues in the air, and you've got all these things going on. And near the bottom, you have these... It's like the seven theological sciences on the left, and it's this seven liberal arts on the right. And she looks at this and she says, "Oh, my goodness, hundreds of years ago, it was totally natural for people to see that God's authority," because at the very top is a dove which symbolizes the Holy Spirit and then there's a symbol for Pentecost at the top of that. And so this fresco is set up, where basically like, here's the Holy Spirit. Here's the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost and as a result, trickled down, we have theological sciences and we have liberal arts. And all of that is under the Lordship of Christ.

And she looks at that and thinks, "Why did they know this? To them, this was so common sense that they put it on a wall in the chapel, like, “Here's a painting of our view of reality.” Somehow we lost that and we have the sacred-secular divide." I mean, but she admits, "It's so easy for us to look at the seven theological sciences, and, "Oh, yes, of course, God is involved here." But then we look at Lady Grammar over on the end, and we're like, "What does He have to do with that?"" What he has to do with that, is in the beginning was the word, right?


And grammar is really bringing us into right relationship with words. So it is under His authority and comes from Him and grammar, is as we recall a discovered truth. It's how words work and it's the authority in our life and if we're talking about authorship and that thing, but all of that comes to us from God, but it's hard for us to see it, but it's because we are a deeply secular people. It was probably a lot easier in Florence, where the primary culture was a Christian one. So I just feel like these struggles really point to a weakness in us. That we have limited the connection between God and the world around us. We're not seeing that connection.

Okay. So what I've heard you say so far is that we're not trying to establish a priority of one over the other. We're saying that prayer and scripture is a priority in our home schools. But we're also saying that we as humans seem to have this tendency to separate things into two separate boxes when they don't necessarily need to be separate into two boxes.

Something about what you said reminded me of, what's the name of the guy, who was in the Olympics, he was the runner? The guy that wouldn't run on Sunday.

Yes, “Chariots of Fire.”

Yes, the “Chariots of Fire” guy. I'm trying to remember his name. And I'm totally forgetting the name.

He was Scottish. Hold on.


Yeah, I can get all this stuff about him. But-

But it's-

... there's a quote.

Yes, where he talks about running. And it's really, when you get really involved in his story, he's being pushed and pushed. He's obviously called to be a preacher, he's being pushed into the ministry, and people are like, "The Olympics, really? But you're religious. Why would you go run?"

And his whole thing was...

... has a quote about running. Yes, I saw that not too long after we thought about... It's Eric Liddell.

He says, "I believe God made me for a purpose, but He also made me fast. And when I run, I feel His pleasure."


And I've always thought about that, that this didn't stop him from being a missionary. He did go on and he did go into ministry, and he did preach to many people and all those kinds of things. But it acknowledged his humanity, that God also made him fast. He was acknowledging that God gave him more than one gift and it was good for him to use the gifts that God had given him. And I think sometimes this is how we end up ostracizing people inside of the church who are not called to formal ministry, because we have been secularizing education on accident. I mean, when we're asking questions like this, we have good intentions, because what we want to do is we want to say, "Scripture is the highest thing, it's the most important thing." And I mean, I respect that. I agree with that. That's why when we have to drop something, it's not Bible and prayer that we're dropping.

But with that said, how do we... Let's say you have a child that's really gifted in music or art. And I use that example because 100 years ago-ish, most Christians completely abandoned the arts and then were like, "Gosh, Hollywood's awful." Well, that didn't just happen, right?


It happened when a bunch of people, a little over 100 years ago, decided that they just couldn't see the connection anymore between Christianity and art so they were just going to opt out. And so we essentially abandoned whole swathes of society to the secularists.

When you create a void something else is going to come in there to fill it.

Exactly. But how do you look a child in the eye, that has that gifting? Or maybe you have a child that seems like a gifted engineer in the future, or whatever. And if we don't see the connection between God and these subjects, and if we don't show our children how they can glorify God in what they were born to do, then really, I feel like we're leaving them at risk. Where they're going to start having this divide in their minds that, "On Sunday I'm a Christian and I worship God. But on the average workday, I'm an engineer, and I use my brain." And there's this dichotomy that's being created, that I think it's completely unnecessary. Because I think we should be able to stand up with Eric Liddell and say, "God also made me fast. And when I run, I feel His pleasure." So God also made me, well... Fill in the blank for your child.

I have a child that is breeding rabbits and wants to learn to butcher them, which I find horrifying. But I also feel like, "But she was born..." I mean, it was very obvious, from the time she was little that she was born this way. She's our outdoor girl. She loves her animals. She takes care... I mean, and I want her to know that she can glorify God and who God made her. It was God's delight to make her this way. And so I just think if we're not careful, we end up sending the message to kids that aren't called directly to formal church ministry, that somehow what they're doing can't honor God or isn't as important or whatever. But really, if you think about, what do we want for society? What do we want for this world? We would love to see Christians everywhere, doing all sorts of amazing jobs, and worshiping the Lord in what they're called to do, right?


And so, I mean, what's the path to that? The path to that has to be that God is Lord over every subject, and he can be honored in every subject and as we become more fully human, that means we become good at math and science and art and music and not just good at reading our Bible or praying.

Let's talk about, the tagline for this podcast is truth, goodness and beauty for your homeschool day. So what are we talking about when we're talking about truth, goodness and beauty?

Ha-ha, okay. So I came armed with this because I knew you were going to ask this question. Okay, so I love Aristotle's definition of truth. I mean, how dare I because he wasn't a Christian? Turns out, non Christians have good thoughts too, sometimes. So Aristotle, he said, when... I'm trying to think about how he describes truth, hold on. He says basically, "When you say that what is, is, and when you say, what is not, is not, you speak the truth." So really, what we call truth is when we apprehend reality, then we have the truth.

So the truth can be both negative and positive. This is true because it is or this is not true, because it is not. And both of those things are, according to Aristotle, the truth. Which I think actually, is, I think that is the key to us being able to talk with our kids about why we have to do X, Y or Z. Because when we start talking about, well, these things are part of reality. And where do you think reality comes from? If you really believe in a creator, and you really believe He's the source of reality, then we can apprehend truth, more or less. I mean, obviously, we're limited by our finite minds. But I think that is the key, because that gets us away from all the practical, "When am I going to use this stuff?" The idea that as a human, you can apprehend truth, it doesn't mean you're going to use it all. And it doesn't have value based on whether or not you use it.

That's a materialist point of view. That, "The only things that are useful to me are the things that I can directly use." And the idea really comes down to things like money. Like, "If I can use this to earn a dime or better my life and somehow then it has value," but that's not the Christian view of humanity. It has value, because you're understanding a little bit more about this world that God made. And isn't that a wonderful thing? So I feel like-

Well, and you're becoming more fully human too.

Yes, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, we all have this capacity to apprehend these things, because you were made in His image. So I feel like truth is really our key to having these conversations with our children. So then, I feel like beauty and goodness are so much harder to define. I mean, we tend to know beauty right? But beauty, okay, so I actually brought my Peter Kreeft because my son and I just read a section on beauty very recently. So we're reading The Philosophy of Tolkien, by Peter Kreeft. By the way, if you have a high schooler that you want to introduce some basic philosophy to, but they've read a lot of Lord of the Rings growing up, and stuff, I think this is just the perfect little introductory way to do it. I just absolutely have fallen in love with this book. And it's not huge.

So I assigned this for my son's senior year, and we're just reading a little bit every week. It's not a lot. So by the end of the year, he'll have read the whole book. But it's not tons of overwhelming reading or anything. It's super great. Anyway. But he has a section, Peter Kreeft, has a section in this book on beauty and he's really trying to explain the tension or not tension but how we're trying to balance out beauty and goodness and where one leaves off and the other starts. Because it can get confusing. But he says, "Putting first things first is the key to the health of second things and beauty is a second thing. It is very good, but not as good as moral goodness."

So he describes goodness that, obviously, as having this moral quality. That it is in accordance with how things ought to be. And he means that even in a moral or ethical sense. So then he says, "Beauty is one of the more important forms of goodness. Beauty is very good. And goodness is the highest form of beauty. The most beautiful thing in this world is a saint." I've loved that idea that, so beauty is in many ways, it's sensory. And then goodness is this intangible quality.

But when we think about, “What is the ultimate human like?,” they've arrived at the tangible and...the place where the intangible and the tangible connect. So that this idea of sainthood as an ideal, is where the beauty and goodness have come together. So we end up with affirming that truth in scripture where the most beautiful thing, that beauty fades, but there's this inner virtue that lasts forever and that is goodness, but that is actually the ultimate beauty. The great irony is that it didn't fade at all. It was an internal quality.

Okay. When you reach that, that sainthood, I mean, that's-

That's what Kreeft is saying, yeah.

... the sainthood is where it is.


Which we're not going to get there here. So it's got to be beyond.

Right. Right. I think what Kreeft is really getting at, is really this idea, what's an ideal?

Right, right.

And what is our ideal as humanity? And I think it's easy for us to say the ideal human knows the truth, but we're uncomfortable talking about and we're... Well, and we're comfortable saying the ideal human lives a good life. Like we'll say talk about moral goodness. But beauty makes us uncomfortable. Because if you say the ideal human is beautiful, then it's like, "Well what about people born with birth defects?" Or, "What about as I get older and how that falls away," or whatever. So I like the way he's connecting all three, that even though beauty, it's very sensory, right? Because we find it in music and in poetry and rhythms and in art and all that stuff. So it's very sensory, but he's saying ultimate beauty is found in the supreme moral goodness. So it's where truth, beauty and goodness all came together.

Okay, so what does that look like in our Morning Time?

What? We have to apply all this?

No, not necessarily. I mean, maybe we can or maybe we don't. Or what is the application? Because now you've given us really deep thoughts to think and I'm going to have to listen to this two or three times. But how does this apply to what we're teaching our kids and how things like grammar and math and music and art, where do they fit into this? And is it that they are a reflection of beauty? Is it that they're helping us along the path to being able to grow closer to that ideal? I mean, what?

I think so. I mean, I think everything can be our tutor bringing us closer to God and what He created us to be. And so I don't want to be trite to say that, all truth is God's truth and truth is truth, no matter where you find it. But these are things that people say because there's a sense in which this is very real. If someone says something that is true, something which corresponds to reality, that belongs to the Lord because He is the Creator. He's the source of all that is.

So then I feel like it's easy to get these really big concepts, truth, goodness, beauty and feel like, "Oh, that's so untouchable, and I'm just me." But the idea is like, "Well, yeah, we're not saints." So we just take the next step. So what's the next step? The next step is the next sample of excellence that we can give our children, which is the next poem we read, and the next piece of art that we look at. And then there's other things, like, with the formal grammar lessons, where you're diagramming a sentence or whatever, you're learning to play with words, so that you can better form them so that maybe someday you will be able to have the capacity to bring forth some great work of art that will benefit other children some other day.

So I feel like these things, if we say like, "Oh, sainthood, so this idea of the virtuous woman or the virtuous person," or whatever. If these are ideals that we have floating around out there, how do you get there? It's one sample of excellence at a time. And that builds our moral imagination or whatever, where we start to actually even have the capacity for virtue and for goodness, and all of those things. Because you can't embody something that you can't imagine. And so I feel like we're just storing up the internal resources for hopefully, living a better life, and following the Lord more closely than we did the day before. So, "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time?"

One bite at a time, yeah.

I mean, it is that thing. I mean, it's just we're taking the next step and the next step. So the next step is... We're doing one of those Simply Charlotte Mason composer studies right now. And I love those little things. And so, what's the next step? Well, it's just the next piece. And the thing, you have your Morning Time plans, and there's music in there. It's just the next thing. But why did you select the things that you select in your Morning Time plans? Well, because these are samples of excellence, right?


These are some of the greatest things ever produced by someone. Listening to those things is how we tap in to truth, goodness and beauty. I think it's easy for us to put those things up on a pedestal and feel like they're unreachable. But it's just one step at a time.

Yeah. Yeah. And if we don't do that, I mean, then we're not taking those steps forward.


We're reading... So N.D. Wilson has that series that he wrote...it's the time travel series. I'm trying to remember exactly what it's called. But it's The Legend of Sam Miracle is the first one and then The Song of Glory and Ghost is the second one. We're on something about The Last of the Lost Boys. I don't know. You can link them in your show notes. I'm sure you can find them from this description.

Yeah, yeah. Outlaws of Time.

Yes, there you go, The Outlaws of Time series, which, by the way, I wouldn't read them to really little kids because they could be scary. But I have big kids. So anyway. So we're doing this as a read aloud right now. So one of the things that's happening in this third book that I found so interesting was that this kid who's becoming the villain in the book, basically had been really protected by the people who were raising him. And so there were whole sections of reality that weren't given to him, because they thought they were protecting him. And then it turns out that that was the big weakness. That by not giving him that reality, he was left vulnerable, unprotected, and able to be influenced by seriously evil people.

And I think of that. There's bad music out there. And there's bad poetry. There's bad ideas. And if we are not equipping our students with a generous amount of really good things, then how are they going to spot a counterfeit? This kid has some hazy idea that this is probably not a good idea. But he was not equipped. He did not have the resources inside of himself to not be deceived. And I just think... I mean, we can't know the future. We can't really protect our kids. But sometimes in the name of protecting our kids, we're actually removing things that would be equipping them.

Well, I liked what you said about a generous amount of things. But then also the idea that everything doesn't come with an explicit label on it. And what I mean by that is everything doesn't come explicitly labeled religious and good. You know what I mean?


That it's like everything that's good is going to be labeled good for you and everything else you need to completely stay away from. I mean, there's good out there. And that's how we get that generous amount of stuff.

Yeah. We have to make our peace with living in a fallen world and accept that everything isn't all of one or all of the other. There could be a really beautiful poem that has a line in it. That isn't quite true. But we can't just throw everything. I mean, I think this is where some of the desire to just focus on scripture is, because we know we can rely on scripture. Scripture isn't going to let us down.

But the point is, I don't know all about you, but I'm a mixed bag. I'm not all good or all bad. I'm not all one thing. I'm, hopefully, better today than I was yesterday, and better tomorrow than I am right now. So if we're preparing them to live in the real world, then they have to be prepared for a world where discernment has to happen, because not only are things not explicitly labeled good or bad, but nothing is 100% good or bad. Because it's coming from a human who's just as human as you and me, which means that even when he's trying really hard, just like I was earlier, "I should just stop talking because I'm going to become a heretic if I keep talking."

And it's not going to be because of my desire to be a heretic. It's just because as a human, we are not perfect. And so we struggle to bring forth something that is true out of our imperfect selves. So I think that part of what generosity does, is it safeguards. Because now I have many samples. And so maybe we're this one thing was weak, this other thing had a different weakness, but it had a strength in that one area. And so when the two things are meshed together, hopefully I'm getting more truth and I'm getting more goodness with every sample because the weaknesses are being shored up. And the rough places are being smoothed by greater exposure. And so I feel like generosity, this idea of-

Well, and there's also a practice in discernment too.

Right, yeah.

Yeah. Because you're always going to be faced with things because everything is created by fallen humans, you're going to be faced with constant exposure to things that have this mixture in them. So by strengthening that discernment muscle, especially when you're home, learning and growing up, then you're going to be able to... It's going to serve you better later.

Right, right. Well, and I think when kids see something truly ugly in themselves, they can realize that's not the end of the story. Because they've seen some samples of that too. I think about my kids and I, we're reading Hard Times right now, which honestly, if my fifth grader was my oldest child, would not be happening. But my fifth is my youngest child, so he's just there. Because everybody else is a teenager, and they're ready for this. But the main, or one of the main characters in there is tempted to have an affair. And it's been a wonderful opportunity for dialogue about people who come into your life and try to tempt you. And then she, actually I didn't know which way this was going to go because I hadn't read the whole book before. I had only read excerpts of this book. And so I was biting my fingernails secretly, like, "I hope this ends up being a good example for my children, because I don't know which way this is going to go." But-

Put it in the freezer.

Yeah, seriously. But thankfully, she runs home to her father. And we were talking about this, that she was very tempted. And she had multiple reasons why she was a weak person who was not prepared to make good moral choices in her life and all these things. But we talked about, "What was the one thing she did?" She didn't just stay by herself when she was facing temptation. She went and sought out someone that she could trust who was wiser than her and who she knew would protect her. And her dad is far from perfect, but he was the right person to run to. And so I feel like working through all that stuff with my teenagers, it's like, "Okay, so you faced a temptation to do something really horrible. That's not the end of your story." Right?


And so these books that have these things that make us parents uncomfortable, and I mean, you hear parents, like, "I don't want to read Shakespeare because..." Or whatever. And I mean, I'm not saying every Shakespeare play is appropriate for every child. In fact, there are a couple of Shakespeare plays that probably aren't appropriate for any children. But with that said, this idea that somehow not acknowledging temptation is going to do them a favor, I mean, they're going to be tempted just like we're tempted.

And so helping them see people deal with it, overcome it, or even fall to it and suffer horrendous consequences, I mean, at some, and that's not appropriate at every age, but at some age, they need to know the whole truth. Because I keep going back to that N.D. Wilson book, "Why was this child vulnerable?" Because he didn't know the whole truth. That he had been protected from aspects of reality and he paid the price. Which makes an N.D. Wilson book a really great book because it's dealing with ultimate reality itself in a weird fantastical way.

Okay, well, it's funny because I think we've wandered away from where I thought-

Oh, yeah, sorry.

... we would be. No, no, it's okay, because it's all really good conversation to have. And I keep going back to that idea of, I mean, this certainly wasn't supposed to be an episode about, how much do we shelter? Do we shelter? Do we not shelter? Because the idea was, that there are so many things that are good and full of God that are not necessarily labeled with that label. You know what I mean?

Right, yeah.

And so we did get away from it. But I think it was an important conversation to have. So any final words?

I guess I think, if we want to circle back to your original topic, so that we feel like we did justice a little bit to it. I feel we need to realize that God, and I say this, we, meaning me too, because I feel like this is just an inherent weakness in our time more than anything because of how we were educated, how we were taught that there is such a thing as secular and that you can have a whole secular education. And so of course we don't want to do that. As Christians, we don't want to do that, we want our kids to have a deeply religious education, and we think that that means religion proper. But I feel like what we have to do as the adults is recover a full view of humanity. What was man and all his glory supposed to be? And then a full vision of our Lord. He is the one who saves us. But that's a very, I don't want to say a small part because God doesn't have parts but again, heresy alert. But I-

It's not His only part.

It's not His only quality. I mean, I think if we recover the vision of Him-

Because He had to save us because of The Fall.

Exactly. But there was-

That wasn't where it all began.

Right. So I guess really, then what we're saying, is we go back. If the goal of education is something like what Milton said, "To restore the ruins of our first parents," then what do we do? We go back before the ruins to see what was that all about. And what do we have? We have man in all his glory, who is obviously a poet and a gardener and all these things. And we have the Lord who is creator and sovereign over all, and from whom all of this goodness comes. And if we recover a vision of that, of God and man, and then we think of ourselves as trying to restore some tiny part of that, then I feel like that puts everything in its proper place. When scripture says that we can glorify God in everything that our hand finds to do, I think that's what we're talking about.

That we can learn to glorify God while we're doing math, or we're doing grammar...we're doing whatever. We can learn to feel God's pleasure because this is the world that God made. And just like He delights to make the daisy on the hill and no one sees, it's the same thing. In Corinthians, we're talked about working with your hands, and all these different things. Those things are important too. God made us normal people. And he says... So how do you be like a normal person? You learn to glorify God in what you're doing all day. That you understand that there is a connection between you and the Lord no matter what you're doing.

And so, for me, that's like, how do we eliminate secularism in our own life? It's not by eliminating subjects. It's eliminating it in our heart, where we start to see the connection between God and daily life.

Oh, I like that. I like that a lot. And then, we could just bring St. Benedict into this too, and that would just open a whole new can of worms.

Oh, yeah. It would. So many worms.

So many worms there. We're just going to... Rule of St. Benedict, ora et labora, you can go there if you want to. But this episode, it's completely gotten out of hand. But it's good because it's a great conversation that gives so many things to think about. So Brandy, thank you so much for coming on today.

Thanks for having me. It was so fun. It really was.

It was so fun.

I love coming here.

Tell everybody where they can find you online.

Two top places would be, scholesisters.com, which is the webpage for the Scholé Sisters podcast. And then afterthoughtsblog.net, which is my own personal website.

And there you have it. If you would like links to any of the resources that Brandy and I chatted about on today's episode of the podcast, you can find them on the show notes for this episode. They're at pambarnhill.com/ymb73. Also on the show notes are some downloads for you, including a complete transcript of this episode, some action items for you to take, looking at your own Morning Time and some timestamps to help you find different parts of the episode again. And those downloads are absolutely free along with our free Summer Reading program that you can also find on those show notes. So that's at pambarnhill.com/ymb73.

Now we'll be back again in a couple of weeks with another great Morning Time interview, this time with my friend, Mary Wilson. We'll be chatting all about celebrating books and how we can go about doing that in our homes. You won't want to miss that episode. Until then, keep seeking truth, goodness and beauty in your homeschool day.

Key Ideas about Finding Truth in Every Subject

One of the goals of Morning Time is to set aside a portion of our homeschool day to focus on the most important things: truth, beauty, and goodness. So what are the most important things? Some may say that the Bible and prayer are most important and that everything else is secondary.

While modern education has made an artificial divide between that which is considered sacred and that which is secular, this division is unnecessary and not helpful. Instead, we must recover a bigger vision for education where we recognize that God, who is the author of all things, can truly be found in every subject. And, by finding God in all subject areas, and honoring Him in all our educational efforts, we are able to live a fuller vision of humanity.

Find what you want to hear:

  • [5:56] meet Brandy
  • [11:04] how Brandy started with Morning Time
  • [14:05] Morning Time and the most important things
  • [18:27] the purpose of education
  • [23:38] Charlotte Mason and her ‘Great Recognition’
  • [31:48] defining truth
  • [34:37] defining goodness and beauty
  • [38:32] finding truth, beauty and goodness in Morning Time
  • [42:39] a generous feast helps build discernment in our kids
  • [51:26] Brandy’s final thoughts on the topic

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  • You've made my school year!
    by Lizzie O' from United States

    Pam, I wrote you an email when I first felt it placed on my heart to homeschool my now 6 & 8 year old children and you responded with a warm response. I then began to listen to every podcast you have (all 3!) and I have been so very inspired and encouraged in so many ways that it would take up too much time here to explain it all. This Morning Basket podcast is really a light for me and my children as not only are they the recipients of our mornings of gathering but so am I. I have learned so much from your guests (and you!) and have been able to take tips/ideas to add to what my own mornings look like. We truly have experienced Truth, Goodness and Beauty. God certainly has chosen you for this type of work and serving to others. Thank you for what you do!

  • Thanks Pam!
    by BraveMomma from United States

    So many great ideas every single week! Thanks!

  • Truth, goodness, and beauty
    by I'm Sonny from United States

    Need I say more? I am deeply grateful for this profound and practical resource as we seek to surround our children in the truth, in goodness, and in things beautiful. I leave feeling encouraged, refreshed, determined and equipped.

  • Very encouraging
    by .....hk..... from United States

    So helpful with recommendations for new things to do in morning time.

  • A wonderful podcast full of useful tips!
    by Klarnold79 from United States

    I have listened to almost every episode over the last few months on my morning runs and they have made me look forward to running! I have learned so much and have been inspired to add truth, goodness and beauty to our homeschool days. Thank you so much!!

  • Wow! Talk about a solid series!
    by KastenbauerFamily from United States

    Each episode is fabulous alone, and when you've been listening for a while, they all continue to be full of new information!

  • Hope for the weary
    by MomToTheMasses from United States

    I enjoy the variety of topics covered as well as Pam's cheerful personality. Thank you for being a cup of cold water for so many homeschool mamas.

  • Great guests and host
    by My Life as a Rinnagade from United States

    I love the people Pam has on and all the great morning time tips! Thanks for a wonderful show :).

  • Mamma of Five
    by Mamma of Five from United States

    The ideas, information and encouragment that Pam shares through the different guests and talking about the purpose and practice of Your Morning Basket has been a huge blessing to our family. Helped me to practically see how to bring truth, beauty, and goodness to our day.

  • Great Homeschool Resource
    by KS Becky R from United States

    I have just started listening and am gaining so much knowledge and practical advice. I can't wait to keep listening to more.

  • Really great!
    by BeeGerW from United States

    I love hearing all these ideas!

  • californiafamily
    by californiafamily from United States

    I absolutely love Your Morning Basket podcasts. Pam interviews excellent people & so far, I've incorporated information from each podcast & have purchased many items that the interviewee's suggest. I think all families could benefit from this even if they don't homeschool! Thank you so much!

  • Love Pam's podcasts
    by Flourishing Mama from United States

    There are many homeschool related podcasts that I enjoy, both for their content and the host. But I must say that Pam Barnhill's podcasts are top-notch for the following reasons: 1) the content is both relevant AND in-depth, 2) she NEVER interrupts the guest speakers with incessant (annoying) "uh huhs," "ummms," and such, 3) she provides multiple lists and links to supplemental materials that are really useful and interesting, and 4) she shares forms she's created even though she could make you pay for them. She has a gift for tapping in to the issues homeschool moms are REALLY dealing with. Thanks Pam. Keep up the good work!

  • First Things First
    by Lukenoah from United States

    Every episode inspires me to start my day bringing my children the true the good and the beautiful through our family time.

  • So helpful!
    by jofcrich from Australia

    Every time I see that I have a new podcast from Pam Barnhill I know it's going to be good. Every one I have listened to (which is all of them!) have helped, inspired and encouraged me in some way or another. Pam is so good at summarising what her interviewee has just spoken about; a great knack which helps me distill the main ideas from all that good conversation. I really like that she always has links to whatever is discussed so that I can go back to it in the future and find what I need.

  • Great resource
    by Ejs0928 from United States

    Such a help for a new homeschooler. Highly recommend that you check it out if you'd like to learn more about starting your day with morning time.

  • Amazing!
    by CDefnall from United States

    This podcast is filled with great information to help you take full advantage of morning time or all together time in your homeschool. It also has great tips for extending your child education whether they are in public or private school as well. We all want to aid our kids in thier success and no matter if you are a homeschool parent or a public/private school teacher this podcast will enlighten you and provide valuable information you to to better help your students.

  • Inspiring and enlightening
    by spycej from United States

    One of my favorite podcasts and I love and subscribe to all of Pam's podcasts. Thank you for the fabulous interviews.

  • Must-Listen for Homeschooling Moms
    by DaffodilSocks from United States

    This podcast has revolutionized how I homeschool my young children. A must-listen.

  • One of my favorites
    by FaithAZ from United States

    Love Pam and all of her podcasts - can't wait for new episodes!

  • Great Ideas
    by Hiphooray from United States

    Just found this podcast and have been listening to them over the summer break. Pam is a great host and has fun guests and together they bring a lot of inspiration to the concept of morning time in homeschool. Thanks for the great resource!!

  • TaraVos
    by TaraVos from United States

    I would not be exaggerating if I said that I have learned so much from this practical, encouraging podcast that has changed our homeschool. Thank you Pam!

  • Lots of useful information
    by Kristizy from United States

    This podcast does a great job finding guests who give a ton of practical help to make morning time enjoyable and educational for everyone. I always feel reenergized after listening to any of Pam Barnhill's podcasts.

  • by Momo35556 from United States

    I love this podcast! So helpful and encouraging.

  • Lovely & Inspiring
    by kashley75 from United States

    Thank you so much for this podcast!

  • Such a wealth of information!
    by Jeaine6 from United States

    There is so much wonderful information to be found in these podcasts. I can go about my daily chores and fill my homeschool mom cup simultaneously! They allow me to look at areas of our hs that need improvement or just need new life and feel encouraged while I'm listening. Thank you!!

  • Encouraging & inspiring
    by God's Ranch Hand from United States

    So thankful for this podcast! I look forward to listening to each episode when it comes out.

  • Homeschool Professional Development!
    by Jo.W.17 from Canada

    As a new-ish homeschooling mama, I've found this podcast super encouraging and helpful. I would highly recommend it!

  • So Helpful!
    by KGMom2Four from United States

    I love the practical application that comes from this podcast! Thanks!

  • A Lovely Show!
    by Webseitler from United States

    This podcast has become my most favorite podcast on the subject of homeschooling. The topics discussed often go right to the heart of why I'm doing what I'm doing in our home--and God has really used the great advice shared in this show to help me be a more confident (and calmer!) teacher. Thank you, Pam, for creating such a great program! Already looking forward to next season.

  • Awesome homeschooling resource!
    by Liddleladie81 from United States

    This podcast has absolutely changed my perspective on homeschooling, in a great way! All of the guests have been wonderful and I leave each episode feeling both sad that it is already over, and encouraged and excited to figure out how I can use what I’ve learned! It has a great flow to it, very light but meaningful, informative, encouraging….I could go on and on! Absolutely LOVE this podcast! Thanks to all involved!

  • Great hosts!
    by Homeschool_chat from United States

    I always look forward to this podcast!

  • Practical, helpful & concise tips
    by sproutnchic from United States

    This podcast continues to help. I appreciate the Pam Barnhill's professional, organized, yet warm interviewing style of some well-picked guests.

  • So refreshing and helpful
    by a. borealis from United States

    I've really appreciated the depth and breadth of Pam's look into Morning Time and also the practical ideas and tools to make it work. It is so inspiring! It helps me think through my own Circle Time, realizing what an opporunity I have. There are so many great ideas for additions and tweaking my approach. I am loving it.

  • Awesome!
    by Apples20091 from United States

    This podcast has been so helpful and packed full of practical ideas to use with my children!! Some of the episodes I have listened to more than once!!

  • Encouraging and Motivating!
    by Cat11223 from United States

    Pam makes this morning time concept so attainable! She gives great ideas but simple ways to begin. These tips and recommendations reach far beyond just morning time and are benefiting our entire homeschool and family life!

  • So many ideas!
    by Speterson781 from United States

    This podcast is full of amazing ideas to grab my kids attention first thing in the morning. I love listening to Pam and her guests. Pam asks such great questions of her guests!

  • A Favorite for Homeschool Encouragement!
    by JamesDWitmer from United States

    I have been so encouraged by Pam's podcasts on Morning Time. She walks you through many of the wonderful activities that you can choose to include in your homeschooling, and also the details about how to do it! It has truly been a blessing. Thanks Pam!

  • Perfect for the Homeschool Mom
    by JoshJamie from United States

    I just stumbled upon the "Your Morning Basket" podcast this weekend. I have already listened to 2 episodes, and they are wonderful - perfect for the homeschool mom. I am going to share this on my Periscope channel tomorrow. So great!! Jamie @OurLittleSchoolhouse.

  • SongsofJubilee
    by SongsofJubilee from United States

    I love the idea of a morning basket, and this podcast has helped me learn a lot about the different ways it can look! I love all the different subjects she discusses within it!

  • Love it!
    by Ekrasovec7 from United States

    This podcast has been such a blessing to me! Informational and insightful, it opens a window into how other families incorporate morning time into their day, as well as what they fill it with. This has completely changed the rhythm and content of our days for the better. Our whole family has fallen in love with morning time! Thank you!!

  • So encouraging!
    by A Merry Heart from United States

    I absolutely love this podcast! It has been so encouraging as I begin to implement Morning Time with my 5 girls. I have listened to them all & can't wait for more!

  • This podcast has changed our homeschool
    by Momof4athome from United States

    Pam has relieved some of the pressure to "get it all in". We now begin our day with the good true and beautiful in an almost effortless way and are all enjoying our time together before the "serious" subjects! Yay for the morning basket! Her guests are all lovely people you would want to have over for tea. I love this podcast.

  • Refreshing
    by Bless-Us-3 from Canada

    I am loving this podcast. I just stumbled across it after hearing the recommendation over at Read Aloud Revival. I have been wanting to start 'Morning Time' for a year now so this is giving me direction and so many wonderful and helpful tips and suggestions. I love Pam's enthusiasm and personality.

  • So helpful and inspiring!
    by KSR1 from United States

    I was lucky enough to find YMB and Pam’s other podcast, Homeschool Snapshots, when I started my first year of homeschool this year. These 2 podcasts have been SO helpful to me with getting ideas for morning time and the rest of our homeschool day. I am very grateful for the excellent work Pam has done on both of these podcasts, and I hope they continue for many more years!

  • Inspiring
    by Jaranda98 from United States

    This podcast was inspiring and encouraging. It was a good blend of practical and theoretical and exactly what this tired homeschool mom needed to hear today to rejuvenate.

  • An inspiring and encouraging podcast
    by Kellibird1111 from United States

    Very well done! I really enjoyed listening! Very practical and informative.

  • Honey for the Homeschooling Heart
    by SuperNOVAmom from United States

    Pam lays out a feast of homeschooling topics that are relevant, helpful, and validating. The show is well organized and her interviews are clearly well thought out. In addition, Ms. Barnhill's relaxed and warm personality puts one at ease. It's like going to your favorite homeschool conference without leaving home!

  • I love this podcast, great content!
    by Sara V from United States

    These podcasts helped transform our homeschooling!

  • Great parenting resource
    by sullivanjessicak from United States

    I absolutely love this podcast. The show is well organized with great guests and helpful information.

  • Thank you!
    by Nasiatel from United States

    I'm so happy that I found your podcast, it has truly blessed our homeschool life!

  • Wonderful help in my homeschool
    by BT and Jessica from United States

    This is a great resource for all homeschoolers (and I would say any educator). I am challenged to make sure I am giving my children truth, beauty and virtue through the morning ritual of our morning time. I’ve learned of new books to share with my children, how to incorporate fine arts, good habits for our day… I could go on and on. Pam asks great questions and has wonderful guests.

  • Top Notch
    by Wvshaddox from United States

    Excellent inspiration and tips for homeschoolers! I have learned so much from this podcast.

  • Great Morning Time tips!
    by redhedcatie from United States

    I have gotten SO many practical tips from this podcast! A must listen for homeschoolers!

  • So Inspiring!
    by Frau Linds from United States

    Another home-run podcast! Pam has a knack for inspiring great things in your homeschool! And the wonderful thing is she doesn't leave you with the "lofty ideal," but offers practical tips, aids, etc. all while encouraging you the whole way. Each interview is professionally done and such a joy to listen to! Thanks, Pam, for putting your heart into this! 🙂

  • Wonderful!
    by Kellybireta from United States

    Like having a cup of coffee with a friend. So helpful and informative.

  • Excellent practical advise!
    by Foxycook from United States

    Really enjoying this so far!

  • Very encouraging!
    by WMGardener from United States

    This was been a great podcast about Morning Time! How encouraging and informative to hear from other homeschool moms who are in the midst of it all!

  • A great resource!
    by gejake from United States

    Very inspiring and informative as I begin my homeschooling journey

  • Love This Podcast
    by Earthmuffins from United States

    I have finally had opportunity to listen to this podcast and regret not doing it sooner!!! Very informative and encouraging.

  • Full of Goodness, Truth and Beauty
    by CJMance from United States

    This is such an inspiration to get the beautiful ritual of morning time established. Thank you Pam!

  • Great Podcast!
    by Greggtrisha from United States

    I'm so excited about this podcast! My kids range from ages 4 - 11, and I've been needing to reduce my workload a bit. I'm using the fantastic things I'm learning here to combine all my kids together for read-alouds, Bible time, memorization, and some other fun things. Thanks so much, Pam! I love your other podcast as well!

  • Treasure
    by TasmanianBec from Australia

    I am so glad I found this podcast. Morning Basket / Circle Time / Morning Time - lots of interviews with families who make this part of their day a treasure for years to come. Just getting started homeschooling, and this is going to help shape our days. Thanks Pam.

  • Jeannie in Ohio
    by Jeannie in Ohio from United States

    Loving learning about how so many families are using Morning Time in their homes!

  • Wonderful ideas for creating your best morning time.
    by Flowerpetal2 from Australia

    The ideas presented here are wonderful, it's great to hear how different families put together their morning time and how we can all make this a rich but simple time of beauty in our schooling days.

  • Excellent Host
    by meghanlou from United States

    Pam Barnhill is a truly excellent host and producer of podcasts. They are a pleasure to listen to, full of applicable and inspirational content. Unlike other podcasts in this genre, which are produced at home, Pam's podcasts never make me cringe because of awkward pauses or bad sound quality. Another of Pam's strengths is her ability to reflectively listen and summarize what she's heard from her guests in a way that wraps up the different segments of her interviews. Well done, Pam!

  • Helpful and fun!
    by HornGal88 from United States

    We’re just starting out with morning time and this podcast has been an invaluable source of inspiration and ideas. Keep up the good work!

  • LOVE IT!
    by sassercj from United States

    I’m always counting down the days until the next podcast…one of the best homeschooling podcasts out there!

  • Among the Best I’ve Heard
    by More Like Mary from United States

    I’m a bit of a podcast junkie so when I say that this is among the best, that’s really a compliment! Pam is an excellent interviewer. She re-states main ideas and summarizes information in a way that is helpful and not condescending. She asked poignant questions and stays on topic. Her guests are phenomenal and I’ve learned so much from each episode. So far, this podcast is “big picture” homeschooling talk with lots of tips for implementing lofty ideals into daily life. The perfect combination. I will be looking forward to many more of these!

  • Gave me the tools I needed!
    by Momofmany:) from United States

    This podcast is amazing. (I am spoiled now; the quality alone is superb!) I have listened to the four current episodes several times and now understand "morning time" in a way I never have before-- in particular, the schole part. I've longed for restful learning for ten years, and now I have tools to actually do it. Our whole family has benefitted so much. Thank you, Pam!!

  • What’s important
    by sncstraub from United States

    Pam Barnhill’s new podcast on Morning Time is a great help to those of us who are homeschooling. I’ve only listened to the first episode so far, but it’s wonderfully encouraging to hear Cindy Rollins’ talking through her own experiences with Morning Time. I’m looking forward to listening to more episodes with others who are focusing their schools on the important things - the true, good, and beautiful.

  • New listener and hooked!
    by Bytesofmemory from United States

    I just started listening to the first podcast this morning and I am completely hooked on this podcast. I took the advice in the first podcast and just started with morning time. Instead of trying to “give birth to an adult” morning time I just started doing something and will add things in as this becomes a habit. Thanks for the wonderful tool!! I am now off to listen to episode 2!!

  • Great!
    by Wvshaddox from United States

    Encouragement for homeschool.

  • A Gift to the Homeschool Community
    by HGPII from United States

    This podcast is so well done, informative, and just what the homeschooling moms needs. It includes achievable, sound suggestions as well as an abundant dose of inspiration. I can’t wait to revamp my Morning Time and watch the results!

  • Encouraging and informative!
    by sarahdempsen from United States

    I have enjoyed Your Morning Basket from its first episode! I am a second generation homeschooler and just started our own family's homeschooling journey. Thanks to YMB, I implemented our "circle time" starting our second week of school and it has been such a blessing to me already even its very simple form of prayer, Psalm, Mother Goose, and then read-aloud time with my kindergartner. My 2 and 4 year olds also love it and it encourages me to include things in our day that might get left out, like nursery rhymes and simple children's songs! Thanks to Pam and YMB I feel like I am starting out with a great centering tool and routine that can be expanded and adapted as we grow!

  • A great resource!
    by Bookgirl630 from United States

    Your Morning Basket Podcast is a great resource for to help implement morning time into your homeschool day. I have enjoyed every episode so far.

  • Thank you for wonderful bonus at the end!
    by Caj312 from United States

    I just discovered this show and listened to the first 4 episodes. All were inspiring and I loved the useful links at the end of the show that help me improve my homeschool days! Well done and I look forward to the next episode.

  • One of my VERY favorites
    by Dianna @ The Kennedy Adventure from United States

    I’m a bit of a podcast junkie, but YMB ranks among my very, very favorites. If you’re a homeschooling mother, or a mom who wants to connect with your children and show them truth, goodness and beauty, this is a must listen. Kudos, Pam, on a another amazing podcast series.

  • Timely
    by AggieRudy3 from United States

    I’ve been trying to figure out morning time on my own, but Pam with this podcast has figuratively sat down with me and explained how to get things going. I’m so glad to have this resource at the beginning of my family's homeschool journey! The Basket Bonuses have also been so helpful.

  • Thanks!
    by heyh2 from United States

    Thanks for the new podcast. Loving it!

  • Wonderful podcast with practical advice
    by Victorzvaliant from United States

    Thank you Pam for a great podcast, I am really enjoying it. I always come away inspired and with ideas I can use!

  • Changed our Homeschool Morning routine
    by HeatherinSC from United States

    I have been listening to the Your Morning Basket podcasts recently and Pam's blog writings about creating morning time traditions with your children and I feel like it has made a huge positive difference in our homeschool. I love Pam's ideas for creating a restful learning environment and focusing on truth, goodness, and beauty as we begin our day together. I listen to these podcasts over and over and take notes!

  • Excellent for homeschooling veterans and newbies
    by ASnow512 from United States

    I'm very new to homeschooling and I'm still deciding if our family will pursue that path. This podcast has been such a wealth of information and a wonderful encouragement!

  • Inspiring and Uplifting
    by vabjohnson from United States

    I was immediately inspired to create a more cohesive structure to our homeschool mornings. This podcast is full of helpful suggestions to make morning time meaninful for every type of homeschooling family. I've already implemented many of the wonderful suggestions and I can already see the benefits! An absoulte must for the homeschooling family!

  • Bringing Joy
    by Louisiana Mommy T from United States

    What an amazing podcast! This podcast has wonderful suggestions for bringing joy to (or back to) your homeschool. Everything is doable and enjoyable for the children and parents alike. Keep up the wonderful work!

  • Great podcast!
    by corew50 from United States

    This is our first year of homeschooling and I am really enjoying the concept of morning time. It is a sweet way to start our day together and this podcast has been amazing! Enjoyable, super practical, and filled with lots of creative ideas. Thanks for creating it.

  • Inspiring, yet practical
    by mamato3cs from United States

    Pam's Your Morning Basket podcast is one not to be missed! She and her guests inspire and spur me on to do great things in our homeschool, but it's not just adding more to my to-do list. There are practical suggestions for how to make morning time a refreshing and vital part of our day.

  • Super Helpful & Encouraging
    by Sanibel4ever from United States

    I have been homeschooling for a many years. I like that I can count on Pam to make to make it worth my while (and my short amount of time!) for a listen. As always, practical info I can start using right away.

  • Great Poscast
    by Sarah B R from United States

    Love Pam's interviews. I learn much from each poscast!

  • A Joy to Listen to!
    by Cude 🙂 from United States

    I am thoroughly enjoying this new podcast! I love to listen to people who encourage me on my homeschooling journey and I have added Your Morning Basket to my list.

  • JUST what I needed!!!
    by Foodie in Training from United States

    This is our first year homeschooling (Kinder) and this podcast has been INCREDIBLY helpful and a GREAT source of information!!! I cannot wait for more to come!

  • Practical - worth a listen!
    by Bloggerific! from United States

    As a homeschooling mom of 6, my free time is limited. But I always come away with some practical, useful tips from Pam Barnhill. I love to listen if I’m alone in the car (rare these days!).

  • Well done [FIRST NAME]
    by MattMcWilliams from United States

    WOW… Your Morning Basket Podcast is flat out awesome. Good production quality. Easy to listen. Very impressed Pam. Keep bringing it.

  • Inspiring and refreshing!
    by BugTurner from United States

    What a great podcast. At first I was dubious whether you could have an entire podcast series about homeschooling using morning time, but now that I have listened to two of them, I see where Pam is going with this. It is affirming for me in what I am trying to do in our homeschool, and at the same time inspires me in ways to improve and refine our time together as a homeschooling family. I would recommend this to anyone who is looking to simplify their homeschool efforts while simultaneously enriching their family's experience!

  • Brilliant
    by SHTirm from United Kingdom

    I absolutely love it. Ever since I read about morning time, I wanted to know more. This podcast clearly explains what to do and how to do it. Episode with Cindy Rollins was brilliant. It gives you the overall idea of morning time practice, as she is doing it for 27 years. Andrew Pudewa in second episodes shared some insights about memorisation, which really makes so much sense. Pam asks clear questions and then repeats the main points in answer, which is very helpful, especially for new homeschooling mums. Overall this programme has everything one can ask for to get inspired and motivated. Thanks very much for putting so much effort. Well done.

  • Excellent!
    by RC5476 from United States

    I have really appreciated everything Pam Barnhill puts out. I have been introduced to so many great homeschoolers and their resources through The Homeschool Snapshots podcast, and I love that she is digging deeper into a great homeschooling practice on her new show, Morning Basket. It is definitely on my Must Listen list each week!

  • Bring the best you to your homeschool
    by mystiewinckler from United States

    Our Morning Time is the best part of our homeschool, and Pam’s podcast helps us learn how to make it even better and encourages us to pursue the true, good, and beautiful still more. So helpful!

  • Inspiring!
    by Mamato8 from United States

    I've only recently found out about Morning Baskets, after 14 years of homeschooling. What a find! And now to have these podcasts to help guide me along on my new journey! I've been sharing this like crazy, and my morning routine is fabulous now! Thank You!

  • Education to Educate
    by Isaac in St Louis from United States

    I have gained so much from these first two early podcasts. I am grateful to you, Pam. Thank you for offering this as we strive to fulfill our sacred duty and privilege to give our children an education. Please continue. I see such great things coming from this. I rank this up their with Circe’s offerings.

  • Wonderful
    by BGTwinsMom from United States

    When you're on the homeschool "circuit" it's easy to become one of Andrew Pudewa's groupies. So the excitement level for Pam's newest podcast doubled when I opened it on my iPhone and saw Andrew's name. I was remiss in not reviewing her first segment. Pam is a wonderful interviewer and has the ability to make conversation with her guests based on their answers and move seamlessly to her following questions. That is not easy to do. Highly recommend this to parents who Homeschool. Encouraging, motivating, and validating.

  • So Inspiring!
    by bethenyn from United States

    So inspiring! This podcast is what I needed to get our homeschool off to a great start this year. I will not miss an episode.

  • Inspiring and thought provoking!
    by Pascualamb from United States

    I've always thought memory work was so important in my 8 years as a teacher in a high school setting. I often required memorization and was criticized for this requirement. I recently decided to homeschool my children and this podcast was so affirming to me. I am glad to be able to follow my instincts as a teacher and give my kids what they deserve! Thank you for this wonderful podcast that inspired me to make memory work an important part of my homeschool.

  • Affirming & helpful
    by BOLDturquoise from United States

    I knew I would enjoy this podcast but I didn't know that I would LOVE it! As our family has moved more and more towards a simplified homeschool method, this podcast is just the thing to reaffirm our choices and continuously inspire us with new ideas. I can't wait for each new episode!

  • Inspiring
    by Amongst Lovely Things from United States

    This is just the kind of podcast I need to breathe life into my homeschool year. I’m so grateful for this new show, and Pam is a talented host. I won’t miss an episode!

  • Delightful...a Must Listen
    by 1coltsfamily from United States

    While I have heard Cindy Rollins speak about morning time before, I was pleasantly surprised to glean many new nuggets of wisdom that I can incorporate right away into our morning time. I always enjoy listening to Pam and find her questions spot on! The podcast is a wonderful balance of inspiration and practical tips. Can't wait for the next one!

  • Your Morning Basket
    by inakamama from Australia

    So lovely and inspiring! Looking forward to more...

  • Helpful & inspiring!
    by starlingsfive from United States

    A great resource for homeschool moms and so well put-together. Full of useful information, not fluff. Pam has a wonderful conversation style that keeps the show moving at a steady pace. I wish I didn't have to wait so long for the next one!



  • Lindsay says:

    Ah, excited to listen to this one! Just had to comment that I love the pic of you two! So nice!! 🙂

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